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the white house on the eve of the inauguration, a reminder, i'll be back tomorrow night at 9:00 live on my inauguration day special from washington. i'll be joined by the president's inner circle, david axelrod, jim macina, stephanie cutter and many others. that's all for us. have a good night tonight. lance armstrong salutes the crowd. seven-time winner of the tour de france.
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this is the biggest fraud in the history of sport, the biggest. he couldn't have done it alone. >> armstrong has been stripped of his seven tour de france victories, banned from his sport, left his charity and lost nearly everything. but he hopes comments like these he made on the own network -- >> they are my mistake and i'm sorry for that. >> -- might be enough to help restore his reputation and rewrite his story. >> you win the tour de france seven times, you have a happy marriage, you have children -- it's just this mythic, perfect story. and it wasn't true. >> it's the greatest sports
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story ever told in many ways. that's why it's been the most traumatic fall from grace. >> yes or no, did you ever take banned substances to enhance your cycling performance? >> yes. my cocktail, so to speak, was only epo, but not a lot, transfusions and testosterone. >> doping, he told winfrey, was just part of doing business. >> we have to have air in our tires or we have to have water in our bottles. that was, in my view, part of the job. >> are you saying that's how common it was? >> compared to drinking water or putting air in your tires is ridiculous because sports are based on agreed upon rules and nobody comes after you for putting air in your tires and you don't sue people for putting air in your tires. >> doping may have been prevalent, but armstrong said it was never the system that usada claimed. >> it was definitely
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professional and it was definitely smart, if you can call it that. but it was very conservative, very risk-averse. >> he also disputed claims that he was the ring leader who forced teammates into doping. >> the idea that anybody was forced or pressured or encouraged is not true. >> he called the shots. if you're going to be on the team to win the tour de france, you have to have a certain performance level. if you don't have that level, you're not going to make the team. it's that simple. >> when people accused him of doping, armstrong demolished them. >> i was a bully in the sense that i tried to control the narrative. and if i didn't like what somebody said -- for whatever reasons in my own head, whether i viewed that as somebody being disloyal or as a friend turning on you, whatever, i tried to control that and say, that's a lie, they're liars. >> i think the public will
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forgive him the doping but it's the bullying, the savagery. >> he sort of sidestepped certain questions about people whose lives he tried to ruin when he knew they were telling the truth. >> now armstrong likely faces new legal problems. >> he opened himself up to all sorts of charges of fraud, that he defrauded the race, he defrauded the postal service. he defrauded anyone who gave him money on the assumption that he was playing by the rules. >> sponsorships lost, millions in prize money now at risk, but that may not be the worst of it. >> he can be sued and this is the big risk, in the federal whistle-blower case and that is where the big money is. that could be a $30 million judgment tripled to $90 million. >> nearly all of a personal wealth estimated at $100 million. >> i was stunned that he did the interview at all. any lawyer would have said, say
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nothing. say nothing. he only hurt himself. >> so why do the interview at all? >> i think it's possible that in some small ways this interview could help him. he has to start somewhere. but i think if he's going to have some measure of redemption, there's some necessary steps that he would have gotten out of the way but he certainly hasn't come fully clean. >> usada says coming fully clean means testifying under oath. >> he has information that usada wants and they want it badly. they want to know how the whole thing worked. >> he refused to go into details about the system of avoidance, of detection. >> details usada says they need to hear before they lift the sporting ban. >> he wants back in somehow. and he wants to be able to compete and he wants to continue his charity work with his foundation. >> that foundation, livestrong, has raised $500 million for cancer awareness.
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but armstrong may have jeopardized its future. >> there's never been a more convincing denier. there's never been someone who has leveraged cancer patients as part of their doping denial. there has never been someone who was as trusted and inspired as many. i think there's never been a sports figure and let down so many. >> and left so many people angry, as former friend betsy andreu. >> you dropped the ball, lance. after what you have done to me and my family, and you couldn't own up to it. now we are supposed to believe you. you have one chance at the truth. this is it. >> i don't think there's anyone who would have watched this interview and felt like he was 100% truthful. >> talking to winfrey, armstrong wouldn't discuss details about betsy andreu. >> i'm not going to take that on. >> wouldn't tell winfrey about how the system worked. >> we need a long time. >> and never talked about how
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lance armstrong entered cycling as a brash young competitor, full of enthusiasm but limited in his all-around ability. his mentor then was phil anderson. >> did he strike you in those days as a cyclist who could eventually win the tour de france? >> for me, no. to be a good tour rider, you have to be a good mountain climber. climber and a good time trialer. he wasn't particularly strong in that area. to me, he didn't have what it took. in those early years. >> lance armstrong was then with the american motorola team. so, too, was new zealander stephen swart.
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stephen swart says that in 1995, when phil anderson had left the team, the riders complained that their european opponents were doping. >> did you talk with lance armstrong about the need to start using epo to be competitive? >> we had the discussion about it, yeah. >> what did mr. armstrong say? >> he did say, if we're going to the tour, we've got to perform. we need the results. >> what did that mean? >> i think you didn't have to be a rocket scientist to figure it out. if we were going to be competitive, there was only one road to take. >> was there a discussion about doping in any way with mr. swart? >> the only aspect that is true is that he was on the team. beyond that, not true.
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>> the doping allegations arose in a case brought by lance armstrong against an insurer based in dallas, texas, who provided huge bonuses paid to armstrong for winning the tour de france in successive years. >> these are the checks making the first two payments under the contract. these checks represent when he won on the 4th and the 5th making those payments for $1.5 million and then $3 million. obviously no one ever won six before. >> jeff tillotson represented the insurer, who refused to pay a further $5 million when armstrong won his sixth tour de france in 2004. >> obviously no one would want to guarantee a payment to an event that was fixed or to which someone was cheating because that's a risk no one would take. >> mr. armstrong, my name is jeff tillotson. >> tillotson's done something usada's been unable to do. >> i remain the only attorney to have taken sworn testimony from lance armstrong and to have had
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him to deny under oath with the penalty of perjury that he used performance-enhancing drugs. you understand that although we're in the conference room of your lawyers, you are giving testimony as if you are in a court of law, do you understand that? >> correct. >> and that penalties of perjury attach to this deposition just like they would to a court of law proceeding? >> of course. >> did you, in fact -- >> these sworn depositions from lance armstrong and other key witnesses laid the foundation for later investigations, including usada's. and as those investigations progressed, the legend of lance armstrong began to unravel. >> on the right side of these riders. >> like most riders, lance armstrong dreamed of winning the tour de france, cycling's most prestigious race. >> lance armstrong! >> in his first tour, he won a stage. but three years later, it looked
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like his dream had died. in this film for his cancer charity, livestrong, armstrong described what happened. >> i had excruciating headaches, blurry vision, coughing up of blood, had been debating on whether or not i should go to the doctor for a long time but finally went. he said, lance, i hate to tell you this, but you have advanced testicular cancer. look how young we all look. >> cycling legend lance armstrong had just been diagnosed with cancer. oh! ♪ what do you know? ♪ oh! ♪ ♪ bacon? -oh! -oh! oh! [ female announcer ] with 40 delicious progresso soups at 100 calories or less, there are plenty of reasons people are saying "progress-oh!" share your story for a chance to win a progress-oh! makeover in hollywood.
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look how young we all look. >> cycling legend lance armstrong had just been diagnosed with cancer. it was october 1996 and his closest friends gathered around. among them, betsy andreu and her fiance, frankie, who was close to armstrong and rode with him on his team. armstrong was due to consult with his doctors. what happened next shocked betsy andreu to the core. >> when the doctors came, i suggested we leave to give him his privacy. and he said, that's okay, you can stay. so we stayed. the doctor started asking lance a couple of questions and then, boom, have you ever used any performance-enhancing drugs. lance, hanging on to his iv rattled off, epo, testosterone,
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cortisone, growth hormone and steroids. my eyes popped out of my head. and frankie said, i think we should leave the room. frankie and i had just been engaged six weeks previously. and i said, that's how he got his cancer. if you are doing that, i am not marrying you. we can stay, we can stay. >> years later, betsy and frankie andreu recalled under oath what had happened. >> the doctor asked him a couple of questions. and then came the question, have you ever taken any performance-enhancing drugs? and lance said, yes. the doctor said what were they? and he said, epo, growth hormone, cortisone, steroids and testosterone. >> what is it mr. armstrong said in response to the doctor asking him about the use of performance-enhancing drugs? >> i don't know how the doctor phrased the question. but lance's armstrong was that he had taken epo and
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testosterone and growth hormone and cortisone. >> also in the hospital that day was stephanie mcilvain, who worked as a rep for one of lance's main sponsors, oakley. >> after we were deposed, the day after stephanie mcilvain called sobbing. stephanie told me that her husband was called into one of the higher-ups of the company where he is vice president of global marketing for oakley, one of lance's sponsors, and stephanie was told, if you make the company look bad, you're going to lose your job. and so we said, that's it. she's going to lie. she's going to lie. she's not going to say it happened. >> were you ever in a hospital room or other part of the hospital with mr. armstrong where he said anything about performance-enhancing drugs? >> no. >> do you have any recollection of any doctor in your presence asking mr. armstrong if he used in the past any
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performance-enhancing drugs or substances? >> no. >> okay. >> mcillvain gave her deposition at oakley's headquarters in california. the year before out of the blue, she'd received a phone call from an american cycling legend. [ phone ringing ] >> hello. >> stephanie? >> yeah? >> there is greg lemond calling. >> greg who? >> greg lemond. >> hi, greg, how are you? >> how are you doing? >> doing well. >> greg lemond. >> greg lemond was a three-time winner of the tour de france who insisted he never took drugs. >> greg lemond -- >> lemond had fallen out with lance armstrong whom he suspected of doping. and in 2004, he and stephanie mcilvain spoke frankly about what occurred in the hospital. >> i heard from a source outside of the group here of what
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happened at the hospital and betsy and i have talked a little bit. but -- and i'm not asking you to do anything you would never want to do. but, you know, if i did get down to where it was a lawsuit, would you be willing to testify or -- >> if i was subpoenaed, i would. >> yeah. >> because i'm not going to lie. you know, i was in that room, i heard it. >> what stephanie mcilvain didn't know was that greg lemond was secretly recording their conversation. >> lance armstrong's lawyers immediately backed off this issue and we presented to the panel that mcilvain had told two different stories about what happened in the indiana university hospital room. >> and you heard her testimony regarding -- >> in her last public statement, stephanie mcilvain insisted that she had no knowledge of lance armstrong ever using
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performance-enhancing drugs. and armstrong and his doctors also maintained that he was never asked about them. >> do you deny the statements that ms. andreu attributed to you in the indiana university hospital? >> 100%, absolutely. >> did any medical person ask you while you were at the indiana university hospital whether you had ever used any sort of performance-enhancing drugs or substances? >> no, absolutely not. >> can you offer or can you help explain to me why ms. andreu would make that story up? >> well, she said in her deposition she hates me. >> is it your testimony that mr. andreu was also lying when he said that he heard you say those things regarding your -- >> 100%. but i feel for her. >> what do you mean by that? >> well, i think he's trying to back up his old lady. >> how has lance armstrong treated you following this incident? >> oh, what he's -- how he has
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described me to people he presumed would never meet me is pretty amazing. think of any derogatory adjective. and basically i'm nuts, just crazy, i'm really jealous, i'm hateful, i'm vindictive, i'm bitter. and so this has been a quest to clear my name because i never, ever, ever lied about anything, ever. >> two days after the andreus gave their sworn evidence, indiana university announced an endowment of $1.5 million for a chair in oncology to the honor doctor whose team treated armstrong for cancer. the endowment was funded by the lance armstrong foundation. >> i just want to be clear.
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those are very separate issues. and i'm endowing or funding the chair for somebody who saved my life. >> doping and denial. it would only get worse. next, the teammate who says he doped by armstrong's side.
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throughout the 1990s, cyclists and their teams worked hard to cover up the increasing use of performance-enhancing drugs. their job was made easier by the fact that the drug of choice at the time, the blood booster epo was undetectable. so popular was epo that the peloton invented a term for riders who didn't use it. >> the translation was running on bread and water. the italian term is [ speaking foreign language ]. so for the first few months of the season, i was riding on bread and water. >> like many top races, tyler hamilton started out as a drug-free rider. but when he joined the u.s. postal service team, he saw veteran riders getting
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preferential treatment. they would be giving white lunch bags between races. he wanted his lunch bag, too. >> the doctor at u.s. postal service said that i had enormous potential. so basically eventually when i was given my first white lunch bag, it was a sign to me that they believe in me, they believe in my potential and they believe in me -- my long-term talent. >> the launch bags contained the banned drug epo, designed to raise a cyclist's hematocrit levels. >> it's a percentage of red blood cells in your body. they carry oxygen to your muscles. basically the higher your red blood cell percentage, the better your muscles are going to operate under stress. so in laymen's terms, the more
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red blood cells you have, the faster you're going to ride a bike. >> what was the doctor's solution to raising these levels? >> a couple of months before -- maybe a month and a half before my first tour de france, it was epo. >> under uci rules at the time, riders were allowed a hematocrit level of 50% but no higher. tyler hamilton says doctors would tell riders what their glow time was with different drugs. >> you were given the limits on what product would -- how long you'd glow for, how long you'd test positive for. as long as you played by what the team doctors told you, it was more or less -- at the time it was pretty easy to pass these tests. i passed a couple of hundred
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doping controls myself. >> when lance armstrong joined the u.s. postal service team in 1998 following his recovery from cancer, he shared a room with tyler hamilton. >> did you both talk about drugs together? >> we did. we did. didn't -- it wasn't every conversation wasn't about drugs. but we talked about it behind closed doors, absolutely, absolutely. '98, i was pretty green so i asked a lot of questions. i learned a lot. >> so he was quite open with you? tyler hamilton says lance armstrong was surprisingly relaxed about where he kept his epo. >> when i was at his house in nice, france, i asked him for some. and he kindly said, yeah, no problem. and it was just on the inside door of his refrigerator, just in the box that it came in. i was surprised that it was right there, kind of out in the open. >> french police began investigations after banned
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drugs, including steroids, were found in one of the team cars on july 8th. the doctor was questioned and later charged under france's anti-drugs act. >> as the 1998 tour de france got under way, the lid was blown off systematic doping in the peloton. >> it was pretty clear it was a major problem. french police are arresting team members or followers with industrial quantities of doping substances and equipment. >> the following year, the tour de france was billed as the tour of renewal. teams were terrified of being raided. but lance armstrong came prepared with a delivery man in tow called moto man. >> it was a gardener/handy man for lance armstrong. to get epo for the tour de
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france, we came up with a plan. and the plan had moto man involved where he would follow the race, always stayed within probably a half hour drive of our motorcycle drive from our hotel. he basically had the container filled with epo. and he would basically just wait for a phone call on a secret phone. when he had to do a delivery, he would do a delivery. >> armstrong coming up now. can he get off to a great start in the tour de france? he is aiming at 8:09. 8:02.51. lance armstrong with that performance -- >> this is where the legend began. on the very first day of his comeback tour de france, lance armstrong won the prologue. >> lance armstrong has delivered a great blow -- >> three weeks later, less than three years after being diagnosed with cancer, he won
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his first tour de france. it would be the first of seven. armstrong was now a legend in his sport, a sport tainted at the highest level. next, doctors, coaches and cover-up. lance armstrong was charging to victory in the tour de france, cycling's biggest race.
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lance armstrong was charging
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to victory in the tour de france, cycling's biggest race. but, says tyler hamilton, not without help. hamilton says that after finishing a stage, he, armstrong and their teammate kevin livingston would inject themselves with epo in the team's camper, just meters from the excited fans outside. >> that was nerve-racking because you're right there in the heart of the tour de france, thousands and thousands of people around your -- hovering around the team camper. and we had this performance-enhancing drug. i remember trying to get rid of it as quickly as possible. there was one for lance, one for kevin and one for myself. you quickly stuck it in, got rid of it. it was quickly hidden away, typically in like a coke can,
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all three vials would go into a coke can. we'd crush it, give to it a team doctor to dispose. >> but it didn't all go to plan. lance armstrong was tested for drugs during the tour. and one of his samples revealed a significant level of a banned corticosteroid. emma o'reilly she says of during one of his massages, an urgent conversation took place between armstrong and the team's management. >> the conversation that was occurring was, what are we going to do, here's the problem, we need a solution and how do we act upon the solution and are we happy with the solution? so it was -- the problem was lance had tested high in the cortisone. the solution was potential prescription. what was the prescription for? why was he taking it? are we all happy with that? yeah, we're happy with that. let's go down and speak to luis, the team doctor, and get him to write a prescription.
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>> dr. luis del moral has been issued with a lifetime sporting ban by the u.s. anti-doping agency, usada. emma o'reilly says the doctor issued a prescription to armstrong for a cortisone cream for saddle sores and backdated it. >> had he complained to you about saddle sores? >> no. it wasn't about saddle sores. it was just a back-dated prescription to help kind of explain his elevated cortisone level in the test of the prologue. >> of course, if he had been prescribed this cream, then it should have been listed as a -- on the therapeutics entrance exam -- >> absolutely.
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and it wasn't because he wasn't taking the cream. it was just purely back-dated to cover up that cortisone elevation, yeah. the back-dated prescription was rigged to suit the test. >> when she was subpoenaed to give sworn evidence, emma o'reilly insisted that her memory was clear. >> is there any doubt in your mind as to what happened in what you heard? >> none whatsoever. at all. i can still to this day picture the whole scene vividly. >> she was labeled a traitor by lance armstrong. she was told she'd never work in the business again by the armstrong group. we found her to be extremely credible on the issues on the things in which she said she'd seen and done. >> lance armstrong escaped being sanctioned for having a banned corticosteroid in his system. in 2000, a test was introduced for epo. tyler hamilton says that he and lance armstrong continued to dope using micro doses of epo which would pass through the body more rapidly in an undetectable type of doping, blood transfusions.
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under this procedure, blood would be taken from a cyclist, stored in a refrigerator and then reinfused at a later date, boosting the cyclist's red blood cells. >> seemed kind of sort of caveman-like. taking out your own blood, not seeing it for three or four weeks. and then getting it back in, reinfusing it back in. >> who was organizing all of that? >> lance and the doctor, dr. del moral. >> johan bruynell said he will fight the doping charges at an arbitration hearing with usada. neither bruynell nor dr. del moral have ever been charged with a crime. both deny the allegations, though tyler hamilton tells a
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very different story. he says that after stage 11 of the 2000 tour de france, he, lance armstrong and kevin livingston had their blood reinfused. everything was handled by the team's management. >> we were in this small hotel. it was pretty wild. i arrived in my room and the staff had sort of prepared everything, the doctors. there was a blood bag taped up on the wall, hanging from the wall. a red tube coming down -- a tube filled with blood coming down. and basically he injected me here. i have pretty small veins, so the one place that always worked was right there. you can see the scars today. >> tyler hamilton says the three riders lay on beds in adjoining
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rooms with an open door between them. could you see lance armstrong? >> yeah, yeah. yeah, i saw him. i saw his bag of blood, saw it in his arm, yeah. >> they were taking a huge gamble. >> i'm glad we didn't get caught. i would have been -- we all would have been. serious stuff. and like now looking back, oh, my god, what was i doing? but you're so deep into it, you don't even have time to take a half step back and look at the big picture. >> in 2005, lance armstrong denied under oath ever having received a blood transfusion. >> you've never used your own blood for doping purposes, for example? >> absolutely -- that would be banned. >> okay.
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>> not trying to agitate you. just trying to make sure your testimony is clear. >> okay. >> all right. >> the whole point of blood doping is to increase the number of red cells in your circulation. the blood transfusions have the advantage of not being detectable, even today. we don't have a foolproof method of establishing when an athlete that has reinfused their own blood. >> so does that mean that athletes now and cyclists now are transfusing their own blood back into themselves? >> there's no doubt, there's no doubt that's happening. >> next, a new test for doping exposes armstrong's old secrets.
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in 2005, lance armstrong won an unprecedented seventh straight victory in the tour de france, then left the stage to huge acclaim. but a month later, the epo which moto man has delivered during his first tour victory came back to haunt him. in a sensational scoop in the french newspaper, lance armstrong was accused of lying about performance-enhancing
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drugs. >> in french, this means, yes, he's a liar, but all his story is a lie, all his story. >> an investigative journalist for the newspaper wrote a story claiming the newspaper had proof that lance armstrong took epo during the 1999 tour de france. >> [ speaking foreign language ].
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>> but the stronger scientific evidence that he was doping comes from this highly specialized french laboratory. testers here found clear evidence of epo in samples which were later identified as lance armstrong's. during the '99 tour which armstrong won, urine samples from the riders were sent to this lab on the outskirts of paris to be tested. so what is this room? >> this room is where we perform the anti-doping analysis. for epo. to test for detection of epo was developed in this laboratory.
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so i personally performed the development. and it took a very long time. it took about six years. and it was ready in 2000. >> four years later, as part of the lab's research but not as part of a formal testing process, the 1999 samples were re-examined. and some were found to contain the banned drug. six samples given by lance armstrong were found to contain epo. why was it only revealed years later that these samples belonged to lance armstrong? >> it was only a coincidence of events. a journalist requested from the cycling governing body, the uci, to have access to some of lance armstrong's doping control forms. the uci voluntarily gave all of armstrong's forms from that race to the journalist.
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who then cross-matched the lab numbers that were on those forms with the samples that had been analyzed quite separately by the laboratory. and he was the one that matched the lab numbers to the samples that contained epo. the lines here are a delineation between -- >> this is a former independent expert for the uci who helped develop a blood test for epo for the sydney olympics. which of these samples belongs to lance armstrong? >> if we go to the doping form, we see this number. and this corresponds with this sample here. and we see that for that sample, there was 100%, tells us the system was flooded with synthetic epo when that sample was provided. >> at what stage in the tour was that taken? >> that was the prologue. that was the first day of the '99 tour.
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>> is there any doubt in your mind that the positive results for epo were scientifically correct? >> yes, they are scientifically correct. >> do you know whether or not the samples -- >> under oath in 2005, lance armstrong insisted it wasn't true. >> i can only believe that they either are not mine or have been manipulated because when i pissed in the bottle as i told you earlier, having never taken performance-enhancing drugs in the past, there was not epo in that blood or piss. >> the investigation revealed that six of lance armstrong's blood samples from the 1999 tour de france contained epo. but cycling's governing body, the uci took no action against armstrong. >> rather than open their doors and say, let's try and understand what's going on here
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inside of our sport, they instead, as far as i could work out, tried to shut the case down. >> should the uci have acted on those results? >> in my view? of course they should have. they had the power to say, all right, you doped, you're out. >> on one other occasion, the uci chose not to act. in 2001, tyler hamilton alleges lance armstrong tested positive for epo. >> luckily, we had the right people on our side. >> the test occurred during that year's tour of switzerland. tyler hamilton says lance armstrong's adviser on doping, the italian dr. ferrari, told armstrong to take micro doses of epo to ensure he didn't test positive. usada says that in all, lance armstrong paid dr. ferrari more
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than $1 million for his doping advice. but on this occasion, it went wrong. >> he told me he had a positive test for epo, which was very surprising because it seemed like it was foolproof. >> my understanding is that a sample had been provided and analyzed by the laboratory and they had found that there was evidence of synthetic epo in that sample. >> while ferrari denies all allegations against him, he has been banned for life by usada. the uci and lance armstrong say tyler hamilton's claims about the 2001 test result are completely unfounded. lance armstrong is not alone among drug cheats. since 1998, more than a third of the top ten finishers in the tour de france have been linked
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to doping. but it wasn't until october 2012 that cycling's governing body, the uci, took action against armstrong, stripping him of his seven tour de france titles. for years, lance armstrong's position was absolutely clear -- >> how could it have taken place -- >> in 2005, his denials were passionate. >> how many times do i have to say it? >> just trying to make sure your testimony is clear. >> well, if it can't be any clearer that i've never taken drugs, then incidents like that could never have happened. >> okay. >> how clear is that? >> despite his countless denials, by 2012, the pressure was inescapable and the evidence overwhelming. lance armstrong was stripped of his titles, high-profile sponsorships and much of his prize money. he stepped away from his charity, livestrong. in 2005, with uncanny foresight, armstrong had predicted what
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doping could do to his legend and his legacy. >> if you have a doping offense or you test positive, it goes without saying that you're fired from all of your contracts, not just the team. but there's numerous contracts that i have that would all go away. >> sponsorship agreements, for example? >> all of them.
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